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Dr Wafa' Sultan is 'one of them people'.

From one of her (translated) speeches, she says:

"When religion becomes the measurement for your humanity - specifies your rights and draws the features of your freedom - you will undoubtedly conflict with that religion whenever you try to fly in the skies of your humanity, whenever you demand your rights, or try to enjoy your freedom."

Dr Sultan, 7abeebty entay, if by "flying in the skies of my humanity" and my "right to enjoy my freedom" you mean that I would be excused to drink an enough amount of alcohol and act like a moron afterwards; or if I were to be excused for if I were to go to a rock concert and jump up and down like a monkey because, hey, by the definition of evolution, and on the basis that there is no god and organized religion is just a figment of humanity's imagination, "it runs in the family that I would jump up and down", besides I'm young and full of life and I can say or do whatever I want because I'm free; or maybe you're 'about more than that', Dr Sultan, maybe you're about me enjoying my freedom and having access to all the many (banned) books of the 'West' that will encourage me to think and 'discover myself' through the idea of that there is no god and there is no "master plan", rather, there are only dreams and there are only "O what wonderful horizons lay ahead in the midst of secularism where I can offer you a drink of my piss because it's how we roll back at where I come from - the land of the free", yeah, Dr Sultan, you really tend to know what's up; maybe you, Dr Sultan, being a psychologist and all, want to encourage my potential thoughts of having sex with seventeen 19 year old girls because it is healthy for my personality that I reward myself with what I believe is my right, and god forbid that I would implode if I were not to have it and thus explode in a suicidal bombing in a mosque because 'the mosque' is where I was banned from having that sexual relation with my pretty and gorgeous group of babes; oh no, come on, Dr Sultan, why do you have to be like that? I'm not "objectifying women", I'm just entertaining the thought that a young, free soul like myself could convince seventeen 19 year old girls to jump in bed all at the same time because, with respect to YOUR definition, THAT would be me 'flying in the skies of my male humanity'; and you, Dr Sultan, have no right in taking that away from me because that's who I am goddamn it; yes, Dr, yes, I was abused as a child by females and I was attacked by my uncle and that is why I feel the urge to get back at society in fucking seventeen 19 year olds all at the same time; then again, maybe you're about more than that, Dr Sultan, maybe you're about 'being okay' with me experimenting with drugs, putting my life on the line, which, mind you, Dr Sultan, is "statistically proven" and "empirically shown" to be the case by the 'Western researchers'; Dr Sultan, maybe you're all about encouraging young men - 6ab3an ba3ad ethnich Dr, madri chan tesme7eenly aseer rayaal, 3ady tara aseerlcih mo rayal afa 3alaich because it would be your right to take that away from me because you are free and un-bound with religion which limits your flying in the skies of your humanity - so as I was saying, Dr, maybe you are all about the fine young men from the Middle East to show that they have become civilised and up-to-date by forgetting to study, and major in, Sharee3a and the like, rather, you would have them study fine arts and music and, while they're at it, re-check with themselves 'if they were born gay' so they can be free and not restricted to what religion wants them to be..

Oh yeah, Dr Sultan, if you are about any of the above, then okay, I just needed to know, "no judgement". Thing is, my faith urges me to know, and that if I did not know, would then ask, before opening my mouth and start accusing your fine philisophical doctorate self.

Dr Wafa Sultan, who, at one stage in an interview wanted to incorporate a verse from the Holy Quran into her speech and did a miserable job at showing that she actually knew the verse, was told to "not iterate the verse if you do not know it by heart".
Here, she asked how the man who was debating her would explain this verse to his kids. The man in return has asked her to "get out a copy of the Quran and read it for herself first", and then she insisted he read it to her.

He told her that she was responsible for what she said, or else, she would be nothing but an 'ignorant' person; who just talks and talks about the things he or she DOES NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

She then snapped back at him saying "I read more than you read, and I understand more than you could understand."

I'm sorry, Dr, but it really REALLY doesn't look that way. Lel amana ya3ni, wa7id sefir.

She then goes on debating why "we" (Muslims, I would assume) call "them" 'ahlu ketaab'. Arguing, she was, the fact that they were 'ahlu kotob', and that we, Muslims were the ones who are "ahl ketaab", one book she insists, which limits us because it was "from" the Middle Ages.

Akh ya dektora lo enich sakta o raa7mah 7aalich.

Dr Wafa, etha tesme7eenly 6ab3an eny akoon daaris o faahim o te3tarfain eb shahadty, I see why you are having a hard time. Taking "ahl ketaab" literally as 'one book', and arguing the "plurality" of ketab into "kutob", is by far the weakest and most pathetic attempt at illustrating Muslims as 'prejudiced'. Ingalbay ana agool.

Moving on.

Later on, Dr Wafa states:

أنا لست مسيحية لست مسلمة ولا يهودية أنا إنسانة علمانية لا أؤمن بالغيبيات

Upon which, the man has asked her "mol7ida?".

Key word being asked. It's called intonation.

After asking her again, Dr Wafa, to me at least, seemed to "snap" again saying that he had no business because that is personal. 3ayal tekfain, sh maalah raaza wayhech o tegoleen ana lany kait kait kait, 7aaba ite3arafain ?

Then, the Dr goes into saying "leave everyone alone into thinking whatever they want to think". Comment: golay 7ag nafsich.
Actual reply: Christians for example believe in the holy trinity, and I as a Muslim believe in the "one and only God". Not a holy son, not a holy ghost, "ain't nobody there but one" according to my "Middle Aged" belief. Tabeen ta7kimeen bainny o bainah yal "3almaaneya" .. 6ayyib, 6al3y jedamich wely ye3afeech.

Two last notes.

First, Dr Wafa is calling for 'respecting others' faiths' when she herself does not have the courtesy to even know what she is debating. I ask this: if this 'one, single book Muslims have, that belongs back to the Middle Ages' accusation was true - how do we explain the revolution of the sciences on the hands of 'Muslim scientists' all throughout the "Middle Ages".
I am sick and tired of talking about what Muslims used to be, but that does not give me the "right" (3adil dektora?) to say that such events did not happen. A little history course would do wonders for Dr Wafa Sultan. It really, REALLY, would.

Second, on their site, MEMRI state:

"Attacks on Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan: Islamist Sheikh on Al-Jazeera Calls Her Heretic; Syrian Sermon Calls Her Infidel"

I, being I, have nothing to say about the 'Syrian sermon' because I do not KNOW if it was true or not. Nor do I care, because it does not serve my purpose. Nor would I find it strange if it DID happen.
It's called "knowing what's up" Dr. It's when you have the decency to differentiate.

What I do care about, however, is the pathetic way of presentation.

As I have made clear above, the man debating her ASKED her if she was a 'heretic'. Asked her, "are you a heretic?" after, keyword now being AFTER, she had stated that she is not a Muslim, Jew, nor a Christian. Would it have been him "CALLING HER" a Buddhist, if he had asked "Boothiya?".
Afaaaa, lajaiteena eb enich mit3alma, o "gaarya", o "faahma" o 3amlatlena feha fettewat infetaa7 o ta7athur, wakhrat'ha athrach bas 7achi?

I am appalled, Dr Wafa + MEMRI, of your stance. You, being the translators, and you being the bilinguals, are responsible for LETTING PEOPLE MAKE UP THEIR MINDS. Not directing them. Isn't that what you are ACCUSING "us" of doing?

That is, you should include a question mark after a question. Better yet, you should include "I AM ASKING YOU IF YOU WERE A HERETIC", show it. NOT SKIP IT. Definitely NOT resort to something like "he called her a heretic". According to freedom of speech, where does 'making up an event that did not happen' fall under?

What did happen was that she CALLED HERSELF a Non-Muslim, Non-Jew, and a Non-Christian. Therefore, putting the man in a position to ask in order to continue a conversation.

It's called pragmatics.
And it's specifically called "giving the floor".

And if it was a "personal matter that he has no business in asking about", then why say you are NOT a Muslim/Christian/Jew?

Again, it's called the MAXIM OF QUANTITY in the co-operative principle.
There's another maxim too. Maxim of relation.

That's elementary. If you do NOT know this, what can you possibly "understand" and what could you have possibly "read" about that makes you certain to make such a statement as: " أنا أقرأ أكثر مما تقرأ وأفهم أكثر مما تفهم"

Besides, "heretic" is the WRONG translation. Athiest is MUCH closer. Apostate too, but that would be a bit different. Heretic is the incorrect translation.

This translation and this presentation of the events can only mean one thing. BEGGING FOR SUPPROT from the Non-Arabic speaking world. That, or simply not knowing the basis of translation. La belaaah khosh research institute.

"Nabey il Islam" ely 6aye7 men 3ainech gaal: ra7imma Allah imre'en 3arrafa gadr nafseh.
Fihmay ya idbesha.
Igray, igray. Ayasty mn denyaach balah.

Yes, I read a few books too Dr Wafa + MEMRI. In my country, and within the 'limits' of my faith. I have learned everything that enables me to observe, think, conclude, then think again, and ONLY THEN, utter my thoughts.
Who knows, maybe if you let aside your prejudices of Muslims, you'll learn a thing or two.

Yes, I understand that the ones who have burned down embassies are so-called Muslims. Yes, I understand that you are "scientists" and only believe in science or whatever.
It's just that me, being a Muslim, would be obliged to report events as they exactly unfolded. Or else, I would be lying.

Lying, ladies and gentlemen of the secular world, is something that my faith states is a "forbidden act".

I have been to a number of the sites that speak of your interview. And the only source they have in which they can understand is your site. Whatever happened to self-confidence? Whatever happened to being held accountable for everything you say, and report?
Wain il amaana il 3elmiya? What if someone in 2 years was to write a paper on this subject and used you as a source. Do you condone fabricating sources to serve your purpose? That falls under 'freedom' too?

What does your 'freedom' have to say about this, I wonder?
According to the semantics of your definition, it would entail that you are 'free to lie because you are free to say whatever you want'. Is that it?

Is that REALLY it? No?
Then act like it.

Because it sure looks like it, Dr Wafa. It sure looks like it.

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* I did not want this to be "political". But what she says about the Jews being scattered and "working" together and all that. Madry. Sharraw il arth sa7? La imbala sharooha..
La mayseer.. ? Tekfain la sharooha? 7asha mayseer, sharoha agolech.

* What she says about "not seeing one Jew" doing this or that. Hatha wenty el sooriya? Khe6fy reelich kha6wetain betshofon hal yahood shga3deen yesawon bel naas.

* Aham shay lama galat "etruko al naasa fi 3agaa'edahem" .. Khalas ya jema3a aamana bel jareer eben el maktaba elwaagi3 iben 7awaly ibin mojama3 iben el negra?

* Faisal Il Qasim, meta b yet3alam?

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Sources and links:

* EDITED-OUT INTERVIEW showing ONLY some of Dr Wafa's contributions. Here.
If you are using Firefox, please copy the link to IE. (It only worked there for me). <-- see? being honest hehe

* Arabic transcript of the interview. Here from Al Jazeerah.

* Link to the translated speech I have quoted just the opening of. Here.