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Feminism, woman-empowerment, or whatever it is they call it these days is utter nonsense. The whole issue about equality and what have you is merely a fabrication of someone's imagination. Whenever any woman achieves something, all women get all cheery and refer to that woman as a role model. Some men too act as if they are amazed and bewildered by what the woman has achieved, employing her as an example that women are indeed capable of achievements and doing something.

Well fuck the lot of ya. Many of us already know what a woman is capable of. Infact, come to think of it, no one really ever did say that a woman was incapable of this nor that. Here is where imagination mentioned above comes in play. Get this through your head, it's not a war. When you really think about it, it's feminism that presupposes women to be of a 'lesser' nature. It glorifies women who achieve something 'outside their homes', which in a way means that they never did expect it. It's more like Il Azrag winning one of the matches these days, tiseer khabba yomain ba3dain ma7ad yadre 3an hawa darhom.

Moreover, what kind of 'equality' is it when what is really being sought for is dominance? There's nothing wrong with ambition, on the contrary, it's something to be admired. But when it is the case that a group of women get together, decide that they are being oppressed, just because it so happens that no other woman, or a relatively smaller number of women, thought of reaching the same goal as they are seeking, then surely there is something wrong in the picture. More literally, something wrong with these women.

The exact 'something wrong' can be found in men too. Those who actually believe that they have something to prove just because 'a woman did it, so could I'. Fuck them too.

Let me just mention this, it's really sad (for me at least) to observe that a lot of women are reasoning their strife based on - not only a false notion that has no basis - but also a 'more recent' call. What's the matter, babe? You need someone else to tell you what to do? You need your 'fellow women' to support you to keep doing what it is 'women were born to do'?

Yeah, no wonder you think it's a man's world.


  • What's the matter, T? Did a woman spit in your soup? (OK, that was a cheap shot, I'll be serios now :P )

    Ishda3wa all this hate towards feminism?
    Can you clarify your points a bit, right now all I see is a lot of venom and very little facts. What exactly is pissing you off? Women like to encourage each other in their success - I'm not sure why that would be construed as a bad thing.

    As for it being a man's world - you have to admit there's a lot of double standard going on in terms of men and women in Kuwait. And I'm not talking about society, I'm talking about law and legislation (when was the last time you saw a woman pass a law in Kuwat? Or a Shiekha running the country instead of a Shiekh?).

    Ye3ni it's a bit embarassing that women in Kuwait finally got the right to vote in 2005, when they should've had it right along with the men, from the beginning. And I'm quite aware that it's only the top percent of the population (women included) that has any say in the parlaimentary elections - that's a source of embarassment for me too.

    But lets get back on topic: feminism. With everything else, you need to differentiate between feminisms. At one end of the spectrum you have the militant feminazis who feel men are useless and the world would be better without them, and at the other end of the spectrum you have feminists who believe that women's place is in the home, and only the home, and the only way for her to be free is to submit to her husband/father's wishes (yes, I've actually met women like that who call themselves feminists).
    Most of the feminists I've met fall somewhere in between.

    There's a reason why there are books and books written about feminism - the term can't be used lightly anymore; a simple definition doesn't do justice to all the implications that come with the word.

    By Blogger McArabian, at 6.12.05  

  • i agree with mcarabian. legislation in Kuwait is unfare and sicriminates betweent he two genders. Men get higher salaries. they get priority in in promotions.

    women (divorcees/widows)dont get housing loans. and there's alot lot more of inequality both social and legal

    By Blogger A3sab, at 6.12.05  

  • discriminates

    By Blogger A3sab, at 6.12.05  

  • i dunno where u get the "hate" idea from.. but anyway

    point being: feminism presupposes women to be lesser beings, yet blames 'others' for implying that they have a degrading look towards women

    and no, a woman didnt 'spit in my soup', but im appalled with the way some women reason their doings - just as much as some men do..
    why am i appalled? becoz i know its BS and yet thats all they want to confide in.. ive got a sister whos an engineer, a sister whos a businessperson and a sister whos thinking of becoming a doctor, and
    last time i checked, it was all becoz they want the better things in life and to give something back to the things they had .. nothing to do with 'feminism urges me', no stuff abt 'oooh i wanna prove myself in society becoz im oppressed' or whatever sad idea some women (and men) have got when it comes to basics

    yes. it is a bit embarrasing that in kuwait women didnt vote, but its not even near as embarassing as the fact that u attribute it to feminism when infact it all has to do with religion

    spare me the "islamiyeen galaw ma yejooz", fuck them.. im talking abt real teachings, untainted by politics, the 'essence'.. something which sadly many ppl (not only women) have taken for granted and assume whatever those who call themselves 'islamiyeen' to be true

    theres also another reason why there are 'books and books' on feminism .. and thats becoz some women (AND MEN) have no idea what women r capable of, acting as if they want someone to tell them.. so yeah

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • om mejrin my bad u were commenting just as i was

    ur turning this into matters in kuwait and what not, and thats not the point .. the point is: why is it that some women (o 3ayazt wana agol AND some men) presuppose that women have an obligation to prove themselves as if theyre less than men?

    and if ur gonna discuss the unfairness, it really is sickening to see it being reasoned by feminism .. when infact something much better much more secure and something much more sensical IF u care to THINK has been right there


    as far as legislation and what have u in kuwait :

    - men get higher salaries when theyre married, el zawjeya mathalan and then the raise for each child

    - all other benefits/allowances have to do with the nature of job

    - ask any two new graduates, they both get same base and same social allowances and what have u .. el farg bel badalat w 6abe3at el3amal


    a3sab u mention the legal differences, mathalan eli gabel cham yom tajnees e3yaal el q8iya .. and yes thats wrong, but for the nth time, its been RIGHT there in il islam (and yes becoz masdar mn masadir el tashree3 el islam) .. most just r ignorant to that fact becoz of what they hear/see from so called islamiyeen

    stick to the topic wely yer7amli waldaikom..

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • whats the matter with u and the f-word?
    o0 laish killa ta7ady?

    excessive violent posts are not nice..

    they make u sound like you have an attitude problem..

    tone it down..

    and as for feminism,
    sometimes its too extreme..

    i believe that whenever something iyzeed 3an 7ada they add the letters "ism" to the end..

    etc.. etc..

    7alat il omoor aw9a6ha..

    By Blogger Baroque, at 6.12.05  

  • charisma
    whats the matter with a number of u and not noticing anything but the word fuck?
    that is me toning it down btw, and ur right.. i "dont-sound-like-i-have", i actually do have an attitude problem :)

    "-ism" is just a suffix .. more like "-ion" for nouns and "-ate" or "-ize" for verbs .. nothing to do with excess

    anyway goleeli what do u mean feminism is sometimes too extreme? in what way do u reckon that to be the case?

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • temm! :P i know that is a suffix!
    Bs qa9dy inna thats what it symbolizes to me..

    as for femininsm..
    madree in kuwait, its too excessive..
    we got our rights, so what?
    we've always been equal..
    at least thats what i have felt all along..
    thats how i was brought up..

    they should stop pushing it too far.. sarat il salfa maleeqa..

    By Blogger Baroque, at 6.12.05  

  • I hate you.

    Because I wanted to do a "Damn Feminists" post too!

    Hehehe Killa saabignee! Maiseeeer!

    And Tem please don't change your attitude or water anything down ;)

    We want our dose of you Pure and Unadulterated =D !

    Gigi, approvingly

    P.S. I mostly agree with what Mishari26 said about this subject in one of his comments on one of your other posts (can't remember which one exactly)

    And I also agree with what you said: IT'S NOT A WAR!

    I think I'll have to prepare my own post to define what I mean exactly.

    By Blogger Gigi, at 6.12.05  

  • charisma, i know what u mean by "sarat too excessive" and its somewhat what im addressing.. y3ni ga3deen yedakhlonha b kel isgeera wekbeera o aslan ma laha dakhal bel asas.. thats all, mo ga3ed "at7adda" y3ni as u mentioned in the previous comment..

    gigi, sebagteeny on the homo thing - but i did write abt it again becoz i felt what needed to be said was yet to BE said..
    so u go ahead and "prepare" ur feminism topic plz

    and as for the 'attitude' itll always be there but i DID tone down the language - didnt work i guess so might as well go back heh

    ill have to go see what ur referring to abt Mishari26 .. but i agree w/ him all the time, a wise man he is

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • gigi, wulla t-hableen LOOOOL you cracked me up.

    Temetwir, I see your point in that the idea that it comes as a pleasant surprise that a woman acheived something is in and of itself an insult to women. BUT keep in mind that women (acorss the world and not just in Kuwait) actually have not had the education, wealth, empowerment, or even confidence to do as much as they are capable of. This is why female acheivement is something to celebrate. It doesn't presuppose that women are incapable of acheivement, it presupposes that women simply aren't offered the opportunities to acheive so much. And THAT'S true. No?

    As a side note, could someone please tell me how I can link my name directly to my new blog: http://zinzinkuwait.blogspot.com/
    Sorry temitwir, sawait da3aya 3ala 7sabik, ma3lish ya3ni :-)

    By Blogger ZinZinQ8, at 6.12.05  

  • zinzin
    by all means, it is something to celebrate for both genders.. bel3aks am not saying anything diff, but u say it best when u say its as if an insult to women .. hatha eli ba6 chabdi, i personally have seen and know for a fact that women can do a lot better than confide in stuff like that

    and abt ur blog, FINALLY ma bagaitay? and it works just fine like the rest .. it takes u to the profile and on to the blog

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • gigi, i thought the "i hate you" was directed at Charisma which I thought was funny. U were hatin my boy Temetwir, shame on you girl!

    Temetwir, zain minni sawait blog, Im totally technologically handicapped! 3ayazt wana a3abil fee. Plus I've only been introduced to the blogging world since October so Im moving pretty fast.

    By Blogger ZinZinQ8, at 6.12.05  

  • I think women tend to degrade themselves for no apparent reasons. I support my observation by the pointless "Miss World" competition(s). Indeed many (if not all) of those who participate are smart, but do they have to walk around naked to prove it? No.

    McArabian, women are ruling Kuwait behind the scenes.

    By Blogger MBH, at 6.12.05  

  • zinzin good thing u did, o join club "e3laimeyat el pcs" heh

    mbh valid point but someone could say the same for bodybuilders

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • Temetwir, I counter attack with religion. (women wise).

    As for body builders, there's always a limit. I mean, what good is it to look like a Zeppelin? or an inflated version of the pink panther?!

    By Blogger MBH, at 6.12.05  

  • I read this somewhere:

    " women who seek equality, lack ambition"


    By Blogger PALFORCE, at 6.12.05  

  • mbh i know where ur coming from and i agree .. im just saying there are a lot more ways to cross the point

    palforce lol i quoted that somewhere im sure i did! and yeah .. so true

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • palforce, I love that! I also heard once that you can check how advanced a society is by how they treat their women. Word up.

    By Blogger ZinZinQ8, at 6.12.05  

  • "The whole issue about equality and what have you is merely a fabrication of someone's imagination"

    feminism, democracy,imperialism, capitalism , socialism ,,,whatever the rest of the names are... they are ALL the same to me.

    why picking on feminism bs ?!

    all ideas and dreams are from "someone's imagination"

    tabee el sej !
    women are more oppressed than the opposite sex in the whole world , we always have this "glass ceiling". =|

    By Blogger Mother Courage, at 6.12.05  

  • I disagree with you - men suppose women to be lesser beings, feminism just points it out. At least that's how it was when feminism first came out, but like everything else, things are evolving and changing (hopefully for the better).

    I think you're frustrated with 'empty' or 'essentialist' victories - ye3ni victories that have no real meaning and are only noted because the person in question is a woman.

    mbh Women are not ruling Kuwait behind the scenes - that's just a load of BS. You think if they were ruling Kuwait, they would accept being placed behind the scenes? Please, spare me the conspiracy theories or the dismissive remarks.

    By Blogger McArabian, at 6.12.05  

  • mcarabian sometimes our give/take sessions gets on my nerve, becoz it looks as if ur talking abt another subject on purpose

    first of all, i find it convenient for a woman to say that men suppose women to be lesser beings, i really do

    but then again, i wouldnt know what shes talking abt becoz i havent seen it, i just hear it as an excuse..

    as for why i think ur completely off-track, is becoz u (and everyone here im assuming) is thinking that im "frustrated with what women achieved", be it an 'empty' achievement or otherwise (ur words, not mine)

    i really, REALLY dont know how to make this any clearer, so ill just repeat it (for the nth time)

    what DOES frustrate me is that women themselves allow themselves to believe that they are lesser beings,, u say men think that? ok, for argument's sake lets say men do .. what? that makes it true? to me, la 6ab3an (and no its not just me)

    but .. to some women, sure it does seem true, those who have to go and make something like feminism up..

    in caps, 3ashan la7ad yegol ma shaaf..


    in other words, its presence or ABSENCE does NOOOOOT affect a woman's being/achievements, goals/dreams

    ya3ni if ur gonna debate me on THAT, then that just proves u want to argue for the sake of it, becoz im not saying anything new .. thats a scientific way of disproving or proving something

    everybody just calm down, before we have a situation here.. if u really want inspiration, try to look into something concrete

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • and i didnt know what mcarabian was talking abt when she addressed mbh .. i just saw mbh's comment abt women ruling q8 behind the scenes

    and no, theyre not..

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.12.05  

  • Temetwir - see this is the reason I don't like commenting on your posts when I don't agree with you, we keep circling each other.

    I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say and vice versa - so lets leave it at that.

    By Blogger McArabian, at 6.12.05  

  • Teme, (I pronounce it Timi, does that sound inappropriate? :)

    well the comment Gigi was refering to was under your ناوي على عمري post. and I'm NOT WISE AT ALL! *extremely embarassed and self-concious*

    In my previous comment, I tried to stay away from comparing men and women. because its stoops to the level of putting the sexes at odds. And in your post Teme you seem to be of the thought that the sexes "are" equal? I hate the sentence "the sexes are equal". because its not only wrong, but also snidely misleading. The theory (and I stress theory here) is first of all:

    1- vague. equal in what ways?
    2- insubstantiated. where are the studies that show them to be exactly equal?
    3- misleading. it assumes there's 1 single line of "greatness". you either score high on it? or low. but there's no explanation of what constitutes greatness.

    So, lets start by defining some stuff that are begging to be clearly defined here.

    Greatness: shino ya3ne greatness? to be the leader? to be at the "helm"? to call the shots? to be recognized and admired and adored? to be lusted after? to be able to run 100 meters in under 10 seconds?

    What feats of accomplishment that deserve our medal of "great!"

    So basically we don't have a definition of greatness do we? we don't have 1 definition, we have MANY. because the "lines" or "sliders" of measurement are MANY. ako strength, beauty, logical thinking, memory, compassion, charisma...etc.etc.

    I think in the modern 21st century world our "scales of measuring greatness" have been quite limited. Its like, "ahhhh I wana be the president of the united states".. as if that would be the pinnacle of achievment. We also honor scientific achievment to some degree as well. Money? sure, everyone wants to be filthy rich, sure its "accomplishment" but maybe unattractive as a "noble" thing.

    Who's to say that I as a human man, am "greater" than a cockroach? cockroaches will outlive us in the case of a nuclear war wont they? they are more survivable. to some people that is the ultimate measure of greatness :P to continue living.

    So I think the whole "lesser-being", "greater-being" is BS. The sexes are different. they excel at certain things and suck at others.

    Have 2 teams of construction workers try and build a huge skyscraper (is that a viable measure of greatness?) 1 team entirely male, and 1 team entirely female. the whole team, from the project manager, to the architect, to the technician, to the hauler and last but never least! to the interior designer! (couldn't resist, plz don't bash me over this)

    which team you think will do a better job? (again, I said "better", not "faster" or "cheaper" or "sturdier", because each is an even different contest!)

    Am I saying that building skyscrapers is the ultimate field of contest? ofcourse not, that would be dumb, is building skyscrapers silly or unimportant? nope, its actually very important these days.

    Fine, how about we screw all this tip-toeing around the subject. Wars are sometimes unavoidable and they happen right? please lets not be naive and say "wars are bad". They are necessary in some situations. end of story. sometimes you need to go someplace and kick someone's ass. To stop them from doing something that "we" feel is really bad. Do men and women fare equally as warriors?

    if yes how come the 3.5 billion women in the world don't overthrow the 3.5 billion men that are oppressing them? heck I know for a fact that men will NEVER allow women to take some rights away from them, be it driving or dancing naked in the streets, or voting or running for presidency. sigh.. I hate these discussions. sorry.

    ezzibda as I see it. Allah told us how men should function in a society, and how women should function. that's how we each function correctly. because I don't think we know for sure what we should and shouldn't do, and it sure as hell isn't "equal".

    By Blogger mishari26, at 7.12.05  

  • Ugh! I get annoyed when I miss a post like this. There are too many comments I cant read them all Its too late...Im too tired. Hfff...

    But I will say this.

    I see where you are coming from Temmy, I understand what ur trying to say. I also understand where Mac and a3sab are coming from...i stopped there...couldnt read anymore.

    You know this is really annoying :/

    Oh, by the way I didnt feel u were coming to strong in this post. Its one of your lighter posts. :)

    By Blogger Delicately Realistic, at 8.12.05  

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