Temetwir

6.1.06

Naynalavan

Because I, personally, was never convinced. Because I, personally, know better than to believe what is seen and heard. One hour video.

If you are pro-US, fuck you. If you are anti-US, fuck you too. If you are a conspiracy theorist, fuck you. If you disregard conspiracy theories, fuck you too.

Watch it if you know what's up already. Do not watch it and make up your mind. I repeat: do not watch this video and then, solely based on it, make up your mind.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", and "ignorance is bliss".










posted by Temetwir at 2:55 AM

27 Comments:

  • Wauw Tem, I'm shocked, although I saw a similar documentary of a conference recently, of which I forgot the name, made/held by some New Yorkers who didn’t believe any of the initial explanations. This documentary is much more convincing: it is much more elaborated facts and has clearer images. So Powerful.
    Now, I'm extra confused. What I just saw means that Al Qaeda figures (Laden en Zwahri) must have had a direct involvement in this big lie. Or I'm wrong?

    By Blogger BitterSweet, at 6.1.06  

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    By Blogger BitterSweet, at 6.1.06  

  • bittersweet i do find the reasoning in the video to be persuasive, but like i said that we should 'know better than to just believe what is seen/heard' i myself would not get so excited

    be that as it may, i see absolutely no reason why NOT to believe that the Bush adminstration r the ones themselves which "carried out the attacks"

    yes, i am saying that this, to me, is just as plausible as someone suggesting that al-qa3ida executed the attacks

    its not like it'd be the 1st time for a corrupt adminstration to hold office, so i dunno what the fuss is all about in completely disregarding that option..
    the only 'reason' i can find for such sentiment is the fact that the US has lost many, many lives to all of this 'terrorist threat' and it IS hard to believe that ur 'savior' is imposing such harm on u

    annnnyway.. yeah, what the documentary suggests indirectly is that el-qa3ida are "in on it" in the sense that its all 'just a show'

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.1.06  

  • You're right Tem: a corrupt administration is nothing more nothing less than a corrupt administration. It's ignorant to disclose the Bush administration, just because it's "the American administration", as if they wouldn’t fuck us up, at least that was my wrong way of thinking back before 2001. I hope you get my point.
    One thing that I’m still wondering about: didn’t you think that the 9/11 attacks are poorly orchestrated? Didn’t you find the flaws begun by the organizers of the 9/11 attacks indicated work of non-professional?
    To think rational: we should actually be more worried of such large powerful administrations (US, EU maybe). That’s one of the reasons I feel nothing for forming large unions between several countries, such as E.U: the bigger it gets, the stronger it gets and the more it fucks up the entire world.

    By Blogger BitterSweet, at 6.1.06  

  • have u seen the 1996 movie 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' and the part in there about conspiracies?

    By Blogger MSB, at 6.1.06  

  • yeah.. look man, the thing with the US in particular is that ppl think, well, some of them might even believe.. that the US is The One who rights every wrong and that it is the center of the world .. therefore it can never do any wrong

    sure, its all what it is.. but its not really an "entity" .. its just a state, unfortunately, a 'democratic' one which also run by a bunch of people every 4 yrs and NOT run by the "americans" themselves (decisions rnt made thru POLLS) u know?.. hope that makes sense .. in other words, why does suggesting that the Bush adminstration was involved, translate into "the american people are bad" .. theres no relation w.h.a.t.s.o.e.v.e.r

    so anyway, all that is required for someone to understand how plausible such a suggestion is, is to check out something like the Waterloo incident in the Nixon adminstration

    only then will someone see for a fact that, at the end of the day, the US is not an entity existing by itself.. but merely, an entity publicized as something, when in fact it is not; and is run by a number of ppl whom SURELY have got some 'personal agendas'

    however, one thing among many to consider for the time being would be:
    - what is to be said in regards the spanish and british bombings for example?

    ----

    as for the 'poor orchestration' of the 9/11 attacks.. i highly disagree..
    so much in fact, that the shere size of the attack and its precision makes me doubt that al-qa3ida can ever be able to pull something like that

    sure, there are flaws here and there, but there is no 'perfect crime'

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.1.06  

  • MSB no i haven't .. BUT i just searched for it and it shows that Samuel L Jackson is in it and i remember there was a scene where he was tied up and talked abt the 1993 WTC bombings and all the thing abt blaming muslims for it.. khalech mn el movie, golely what u personally think abt this "conspiracy theory" ?

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.1.06  

  • this is very confusing !!

    sometimes i wonder how binladen ,, the guy who lives in "caves" still be free ?! and they cant capture him !! which makes me wonder if he even exists !!!
    i think this is a very big game, and the comming generations would be laughing at it for ages !
    i still cant make up my mind !
    i've always sucked up big time in political science !
    but i know this ! if the US wants binladen in prison. he would be in it by now ... they're just using the whole "terrorism" thing to seek their own goals !!

    By Blogger Mother Courage, at 6.1.06  

  • mother c i wouldnt say its that simple methel ma tefatheltay

    laken eh na3am, something like that is the general point ur absolutely right as i see it

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.1.06  

  • awal shay 3an el movie: the 'bad guys' plot to plant a huge explosion which will kill thousands. so they kill an arab/muslim and take his body (plus some artifacts, letters, etc) to plant at the scene of the crime which'll make it look like it's him who did it.. reason behind all this? they wanted more defense funding!! if u listen to the way they explain it in the movie, it's almost like what actually happened...

    thaneyan, my comments on this issue.. i havent finished watching the link u provided, only seen a third so far. but here's what i think:

    - July 2001: the US refuses to attend the World Conference Against Racism in S. Africa

    (http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/
    Day/010728/2001072827.html)

    the media starts turning against bush, his administration, and against israel. suddenly, 9/11! sub7an Allah, how ironic that such a date was selected: 911 (America's emergency #!)

    - every time something happens against bush, suddenly something else happens to distract the public.. right before the elections, a bin laden video is released.. kil mara without fail!

    - a huge plane crashes into the pentagon bas mako athar of a plane after the crash? where's the part where the wings would've crashed into the building?

    - 4 planes veer off track.. with all the technology in the US, they didn't notice nor do something to stop it?

    so many pieces don't fit.. there is definitely some sort of conspiracy. but who is behind it and how, that'll be another lee harvey oswald... did he realy kill JFK! :/

    zain, now i'll go finish watching the link and if i have more comments i'll be back!

    By Blogger MSB, at 6.1.06  

  • Sorry to drag on about this Tem,
    Sure, Al Qaeda would have never been able to pull such well prepared and precise attacks, at least NOT ALONE or WITHOUT US supervision.
    The WTC attacks were very precise and well prepared to a certain extend, I agree on that too, but the two other plane crashes, what about these? It seems to me, compared to the precision, the larger scale and the physical evidences of the WTC attacks, the other so called crashes indicate a poor preparation and un-professionalism. As there were totally no evidence of any plane remaining, no footages showing plane crashing into the Pentagon or just falling out of the sky, there were totally no human remains left on both scenes and so on....In my view these other two attacks were prepared on last-minute basis.
    With "Americans" I didn't mean the American people as a nation, I wanted to refer to the automatic assumption people have/had (me inclusive till several years ago)that "everything American" stands for good and fighting the wrong.
    Sorry, la te’aakhthni, 6awwalt shwayya :-)

    By Blogger BitterSweet, at 6.1.06  

  • MSB seems like i gotta get my hands on a copy of that flick

    right on with the Bush reelection campaign, but that is to be expected .. they had the whole iraq thing going on too

    abt ur pentagon remark, watch the vid.. they assume it was a missile, not a plane .. interesting to say the least

    abt the planes going off course, right on again .. not sure shlon ragga3aw that one

    so yeah, so many many pieces dont fit .. especially in this age where information is abundant unlike (as u proposed) the JKF assassination and how 'controlled' the channels of media and reaching the public was

    ---

    bittersweet the fact that there was no planes remaining in the pentagon attack goes to suggest that it was NOT a plane; rather, a military missile (check the vid again for the hole created in the wall)

    as for the no human bodies, right on, and in the vid someone talks abt the planes having NO WINDOWS

    and yeah ur right man, i was agreeing that not everything from the US is good/fair/against-wrong .. i just said it in another way :)

    o la afa 3alaik 6awel wekheth ra7tek oboy

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.1.06  

  • ok just finished the video.

    * pentagon parts: EXACTLY!
    * burning building does not equal building collapsing = EXACTLY!
    * the footage of the buildings collapsing where they highlight the areas that explode due to bombs = WOW! first time i see this...
    * passport found but blackbox destroyed = EXACTLY!
    * some of the accused attackers still being alive: read that before but it doesnt make sense. if they're alive, why don't they come out? blackmailed? threatened? bought out? dunno but something's just not right about this.

    By Blogger MSB, at 6.1.06  

  • MSB "EXACTLY" :)

    irfs sorry only got that link, althu am pretty sure u can find a torrent for it .. search www.torrentspy.com

    laialy whatever it is u want to believe, do NOT make up ur mind based solely on this video .. u can research an awful lot and then u can make up ur mind

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 6.1.06  

  • mishari it does make sense, lots of it.. i just want to emphasize on the importance of taking into consideration everything here and there and coming up to a conclusion.. otherwise, it'll just be "fed" to u, which never really makes that diff "inside"

    im not sure any of us is shocked, i beleive the general sentiment here is "yes, i always knew it, i just needed evidence to support it" .. as u say, reinforcement

    the OBL tape was interesting, the whole gold-part wasnt weak imo becoz he based it on religion BUT the right-hand writing was verrry persuasive

    the scale recording, the sound recording, the phone calls, the explosions and debris INSIDE the wtc, the way it tumbled down.. the firemen's description of how it went down as if it was rigged with explosives INSIDE.. the security reasons, the fact that the company is run by Bush's brother, the pentagon tapes, THE WITNESSES!!!

    i think its pretty clear that we all agree something IS up

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 7.1.06  

  • mishari in THAT case, ur absolutely right.. i stand corrected :)

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 7.1.06  

  • zain aneh sekat o sekat o sekat.. bs magdar asket anymore... i didnt want to say anything cuz i didnt want to feel stupid.. bs what on Earth is "Naynalavan"??? :|

    By Blogger MSB, at 7.1.06  

  • bo fay what do u mean?

    MSB naynalavan = nayn alavan = nine eleven = 9 11 = septe... am sure u get it

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 7.1.06  

  • :| gelt lek i'd feel stupid o 3ashan chithee i didn't ask....

    d'accord.. merci!

    By Blogger MSB, at 7.1.06  

  • Liash wayed m3a9bin !;p

    By Blogger Hope, at 7.1.06  

  • msb ma7shoma

    hope anything constructive u wanna add?

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 8.1.06  

  • I have just finished downloading the DVD of the (Loose Change by Dylan Avery) film.
    I will tell you what I think after I watch it.

    By Blogger Hussa-G, at 8.1.06  

  • I just saw the film and I am truly shocked about the way the WTC fall. I always subconscious know that there is something wrong about it.
    And about the passport thing!!! They found the passport that was made out of PAPERS and they didn’t find the Black Box that was made from the toughest materials around. Common. Gawyah.

    I think they did all these things to control the Oil. Thabe7om that we have it. It’s like in the movie “Syriana”. I want you Teme to see it. And tell me what you think. Torrent it. They would not bring it here for sure. 6abeen fee a7ed men jema3etnah ehni bass indirectly.


    P.S. I downloaded the DVD at www.Mininova.org
    Better quality than the link.

    By Blogger Hussa-G, at 8.1.06  

  • Hey dude!

    Haven't seen the video yet, still downloading it...

    But from the post & comments I know what's up. So, have you seen the movie "Sword Fish" -- Starring John Travolta?
    Semi-quote :: "we make wars and blame others for it".
    This movie was released before the 9/11 attacks in 2 weeks. It was later on pulled of the movies!

    By Blogger MBH, at 8.1.06  

  • 7issa yes, the towers tumbling down and the passport surviving was a bit funny

    it's a repetition in history that the US "chooses" to 'go to war' whenever their economy is threatened.. so maybe that does make sense

    i will dload both torrents (this doc. and syriana) once im back in the UK

    --

    MBH yeah i did watch swordwish, one helluva movie i might add ..

    M I S D I R E C T I O N

    an important word in the Bush adminstration's dictionary

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 8.1.06  

  • What do we care??

    Besides, this film may be a hoax itself.

    Can we prove the footage was not played with by the director??

    Bittersweet:

    Mr. Abdulla Azzam the teacher that BinLaden took over from is described by one leading muslim 3alim, Al Albani, in what seemed as wary terms.

    Bin Laden is known as a US 3ameel by some intelligence circuits.

    Alzawahri, is described by leading salafi character as having ties to Israel.

    By Blogger Mr Moody, at 12.1.06  

  • mr moody i did say from the start to not make up ur mind based on that vid alone

    and tell me ur kidding when u say "what do we care"..

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 13.1.06  

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