من قال الريال شايل عيبه؟
If it were merely a saying of no real significance but to point out the obvious, or to comment on an event; then perhaps I wouldn't mind, let alone take notice. But that is not its primary function. Rather it is deployed in situations to reason and, slash or forgive actions seemingly unable to escape characterisation outside the border of either, or both being childish/wrong.
Yes, I am suggesting that males consider their actions, speech and gestures without the security of knowing there exists a safety net. This in no way implies that females be given 'more space' or anything of the sort. An understanding of such nature would be just as bad and naive as the belief in the validity of 'il rayal shayil 3aibah'.
Since I strongly believe in religion, I fail to see where it is explained fine that a man do wrong and then be exempt just because of his biological state. On the contrary, punishment is either of the same nature or even exceeds that of a female. This would suggest that 'il rayal shayil 3aibah' is not derived from religion, thus weakening its standing to a high degree.
I also happen to believe in social constraints. To make a long story short, I could think of at least eight different ways how or why males should consider what they say and do to an even higher extent than females when it comes to social factors.
In essence, 'il rayal shayel 3aibah' is nothing but a sad attempt at reasoning wrong-doings based on the misconception of manhood; when infact manhood compels men to take responsibility regardless of exemption.
26 Comments:
i agree!
men should realize that their actions have consequences, it's not fair how they can get away with everything, even murder ;P and girl's reputations get tainted by a former flame..
By Baroque, at 10.11.05
I still have a bad eye but made sure I went through it carefuly, whomever made this saying up is an obvious sexist person and pays no respect to religion, it gaves men with small brains the green light to do all sorts of sins just because they were taught they are "shayleen 3aibhom" .. ok well they got away with it from society, didn't they think of God? I don't only blame who came up with it, I blame who kept on saying it.
By Spontaneousnessity, at 10.11.05
ladies, lets not turn this into an episode of 'women are victims'
theyre not
and lets not turn this into an episode of 'men are pricks'
theyre not
..easy does it
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charisma, if a girl's rep is 'tainted' because of something she did, then she is the one to blame, not society not anyone.. her 'biological state' doesnt earn her any privelages
spontaneous, agreed. those who keep saying (believing) it r sad
By Temetwir, at 10.11.05
Men are scarce. Males are abundant.
It's to be noted that the number of men has been reducing ever since the 80's; Mainly because of the deviation from religion: pre-marital relations & such.
I wish the days of my grandpa could come back.
By MBH, at 10.11.05
Nice post
By Papillona ®, at 10.11.05
mbh i would argue that this phrase "waleed ma gabl il qazo" so ur suggestion, while adding to one aspect, doesnt contribute to the matter at hand .. but yes i know what ur saying, however am not really sure if 'deviation from religion' was stark beginning in the eighties .. that would lead to a historical overviwe which, as i say, doesnt contribute to the matter at hand
and ur right, sometimes i tell the guys 'i wish i had lived in an earlier period, harsher yet simpler times'
papillona thnx, chairz :)
By Temetwir, at 10.11.05
bo fay
that is definitely one example of how it is used as an excuse .. faahemny :)
By Temetwir, at 10.11.05
its getting eradicated
By Mother Courage, at 10.11.05
mother courage
i disagree, unfortunatelty its not .. for example gabel la asafir mathalan ive been told 'ilrayal shayil 3aibah' by my drs .. women if i may add
i dont see it going away anytime soon :)
By Temetwir, at 10.11.05
tem! let me just tell u this,
"we're poles apart in everything"
thinking wise specifically! ;P
we don't seem to be reaching any understandings!
By Baroque, at 10.11.05
mcarabian sure thing, chairz :)
charisma 3alamech, wana il saj 3end raby .. kel wa7ed mas'ol 3an tasarufata, ma yat 3ala enha bnaya "as'hal" ena ye6la3 3alaiha 7achi aw gairah .. o etha gasdich isha3a o etesadag, hal ayam ma tifargeen 3an esbay wela bent, bo e3yaal wela om e3yaal.. khalas kelman akhath 3al 7achi elzaayed
stop arguing hehe
By Temetwir, at 10.11.05
ya zeen afkarak ya aba zeid...or was it abu el7or..:)....sij 7assafa you're not older..:)...tarra you are one of a kind! wa ya zeen tarbeetak...rayal be ma3na al kalima!
By MissCosmoKuwait, at 10.11.05
i like arguing with you! ;P
partly because i don't understand what you're saying or aiming at ;P and i just like making ur life a nightmare ;P
just joking..
By Baroque, at 10.11.05
temetwir
it is getting eradicated in this generation , since the teachers who agree with this are the "old" generation and u who disagree with this along with many other ones from ur fellows who are considered to be the "recent-comming" generation ;-)
By Mother Courage, at 10.11.05
I couldnt agree more tem...wallah 9a7 elsanik, all the issues in your blog are always so relevant & controversial.
For myself it extremely irritates me when families dont look after their boys, or 3adi their boys do stupid stuff cause he;s "rayal shayel nafsa" what a bunch of crap, a sinner is a sinner, but it shows you how we are more concerned with what others think then what God thinks.
By Faith, at 10.11.05
9aaaaa7 ilsaaaaanik! wa ye36eeeeeek al3afyaaaa :)
By Anonymous, at 10.11.05
Temetwir, my comment was remotely connected to your post;
What you're talking about is that the problem is in the culture itself and has been emboddied into countless mentalities.
It's being corrected, but with a rather slow pace.
You know what's funny? To have such sexist (male biased) comments in a country being run by women! (You probably gonna flame me now among many other bloggers -- wearing protective suite)
By MBH, at 10.11.05
-"manhood compels men to take responsibility regardless of exemption."
-"This in no way implies that females be given 'more space' or anything of the sort."
-"I also happen to believe in social constraints."
-"if a girl's rep is 'tainted' because of something she did, then she is the one to blame, not society not anyone"
-"'i wish i had lived in an earlier period, harsher yet simpler times'"
Ya Tem wallaah innik TAW'AM ROO7I!! Oo 3ugub kalaamik ma yubgaali shay agoolah
Gigi, platonically
By Gigi, at 11.11.05
misscosmo yea its bo il7or, o tislemeen walla kelech nethar :)
charisma heh ru really kidding? ru? ARE YOU?
mother courage i know what u mean, o wedy asadig .. but something tells me that the majority thinks otherwise (based on what they do), but i definitely wish its the case that its being abandoned allah yesma3 menich
faith sa7 bdenich, and that also is a good example of what im talking abt, ur absolutely right
adaydreamer sa7 bdenik o ye3afeek, or bdenech w ye3afeech :)
mbh not gonna flame, but i will say that kuwait is being 'run' by good parents, no one else.. that does include more women than men, so if thats what u mean ur right and i agree :)
gigi hala wala, tislemeen .. damn, i sound good when quoted heh jk
By Temetwir, at 11.11.05
i am..! i am..! i am..! i am..!
;P bs yalla 3ad.. dikht
By Baroque, at 11.11.05
Well this is true and its 100% not a religous thing.
It Started from traditions and if you take another deep look in kuwait socaity you would see religous regulations and traditions are mixed in many heads.
So since you are rayal o ma taby etkoon shayel 3eebik,..whats the point here! Dont we all already know this quete is already tradition laboosh?!
By Nooni, at 11.11.05
"let's not turn this into an episode of women are victim" dude open your eyes the title itself screams women are victims, even though my comment had nothing regarding feminism you probably just felt like saying the line =P
By Spontaneousnessity, at 11.11.05
spontaneous actually i was talking to charisma :) so ur right ur comment did have nothing to do with it
as i say, 2 totally diff issues.. mistaking one for the other OR blending the 2 gaseb just proves the lack of means for support
By Temetwir, at 11.11.05
e fair is fair next time say Charisma mo tgool ladies, Charisma sweety you're on your own =P ana sayra adawer il nejra hal yomain allah layableekom
By Spontaneousnessity, at 11.11.05
thank you thank you thank you temitwer for acknowledging that
By A3sab, at 11.11.05
a3sab i should be thanking u for getting the point
chairz :)
By Temetwir, at 12.11.05
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