Temetwir

19.1.06

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There's this subtle line between talking shit and having an opinion. It was as if I was the only one who saw nothing 'wrong' or 'prejudiced' or 'degrading' or 'whatever the fuck you want to think it means' when it came to the posters posted around KU's campus(es). The ones urging girls to think twice about their dresses, AND guys thinking twice about what they do when it comes to elections and all that nonesense.

Alexander Pope knew wassup, he said 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'. You can probably make sense of that quote in a number of ways and still make it applicable to your reasonings. But as far as this is concerned, I'd like to think it means "meshkela lama il nas tetfalsaf".

Fact 1: Some guys fought over a bunch of calculators and girls.
Fact 2: Those guys were primarily KU students - of whom one called his cousins and friends.
Fact 3: Those guys whined to the dean and police afterwards.
Fact 4: A week or so later, the poster came out urging for discussion or whatever.

Girls acting like they're godsend for the 'cause of women' chose to believe that because the guys' poster targeted discussion, then there must be an implicit meaning directed to the girls. Namely, that they're not "decent enough" to be reminded of how to 'discuss' because they're not fit for it in the first place.

Wallah 3ad itha elwa7ed shak eb3omra, there's nothing we can do about it, is there?
It's really ironic that no one has suggested that 'why make a poster about something when there's nothing to make a poster about?'
In other words, girls at KU did not show lack of command of their discussion skills. Guys did in the fight.

It really is sad when you see someone, or a group of people, thinking that the world revolves around them. A wise woman once told me that it doesn't. Fine, don't take my word for it. I didn't take her word for it at first, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

Expanding on the
'why make a poster about something when there's nothing to make a poster about', we infer the opposite is true. I.e. 'do make a poster about something when there's something to make a poster about'.
Before I go on, I ask the ladies and gents who have not stepped foot in one of KU's campuses in the past 4 years to quit reading right now; or not base her or his opinions on what she or he has heard.

Some girls at KU, just like some guys at KU, need a reality check. I should know. I studied there. I worked there. STFU and take my word for it.
We all (should) know when a girl is taking it a bit too far with her dress code. Revealing at times. Slutty perhaps. And plain old stupid some others. That said, we all know what the "wrong thing to wear is", so the emphasis on asking 'well what is the right thing to wear' is pretty dull.

Note: the suggestion of "you don't address university students in that manner" does not make any sense whatsoever. A university isn't a place for the elite. If I got in two, anyone can get in even four. So that settles that.

Moral of the story: the world does not operate one single day at a time, disregarding what has occured during the days past. Therefore, if you do not know what has occured in the past, then you're probably better off at shutting the fuck up.
I mean that in the nicest way possible.

17 Comments:

  • i have heard about the way they dress. now i ask? why? because they think they will get husbands that way? where are the parents to tell their girls that is wrong? kuwait has change so much in this past years!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 19.1.06  

  • the "why do they dress that way" is beside the point

    as far as im concerned, i only used the posters issue as an example of ppl who just address a topic without knowing what its abt in the 1st place, 7achi fathy y3ni

    as for "why" .. then thats just another topic altogether.. just like "why do some guys fight over calculators" :)

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • zinzin
    there exists a problem in the way some girls dress at KU; there exists a problem in the way some guys act at KU.. do we, or do we not, have an agreement on that?

    again, u speak of "gender issues" even when i did say the reasons behind the posters

    i wonder what would've happened if the posters were ONLY about the guys and their discussion issues.. and NOTHING to be said to the grls

    in other words, if we would have only ONE poster.. then what?
    i have this REALLLLLLY strong feeling that a certain class of ppl wouldve just flipped and made an issue as dumb as "sheno, mo me3tarfeen b 6aalibaat jam3at elq8?" or something even sillier

    VERY IMPORTANT:
    a) ppl who were offended/insulted by that poster wont last 10 minutes in a context of true caliber, and not that of a college

    b) any self-respecting girl in her own dress code, or any self-respecting guy in his own attitude would have not been insulted or offended or whatever ..
    insecurity is just another word for weakness

    AN EVEN MORE IMPORTANT NOTE: as i said to anonymous, that incident was just an example

    you say the posters were a failure from a marketting point of view? then explain to me the whole buzz that was created regardless of sentiment

    - now plz, lets all drop the motherfucking posters case as it was an example and get down to business -

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • zinzin
    ok, since we both agree that theres a problem of grls dressing at KU .. then we'll also agree that its a good thing it was addressed

    now, ur getting into detail about how to do it and all that with ur mind preset on a marketting strategy as if ur selling them something

    when in fact, ur just telling them something

    sure, it may not have worked but then again neither did the guys' attitude change either

    and im sorry, ru addressing me personally when u say "you"? that the students dont have me to explain what the reasons were becoz they didnt know?

    well thank u for proving my point.. if they didnt know and still got offended thinking it came out of the blue then gal3athom.. thats some univ students for u there :)

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • zinzin ur proving my point again.. becoz im getting the impression that u think that i think the posters r the greatest things in the world

    see thats the thing.. i havent said anything about "how i feel abt the posters" except for saying that they dont entail what some of u have been led to believe

    in a way, whoever did those posters needs to read my post too becoz, as ur nagging on abt, they havent done their research i.e. they dont know shit abt shit so they cant come up with anything but

    - i wonder where these comments wouldve gone if the example i used included some cars and bikes -

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • "But posters are fair game for ANY college students to discuss since they are adressing...well...college students."

    khalas, by the same token..
    ay wa7ed yegdar yedesh al7een o yegol raaya b imarat elshaikh sa3ad sa7ee7a wela la etha kan q8i o yadri ena elq8 3endaha shay esma distoor

    also, 3ala kalamech.. kel wa7ed eyee yegdar yegol "religion is just a relation between man and god, it has nothing to do with society" and actually believe in that becoz he "understands" that el 7isaab yekon on the individual .. and hes a human being = individual

    moreover, kelwa7ed yegdar yedesh eb salfaa about cars and gear ratios becoz he knows how to drive

    therefore, no, my dearest zin, its not "fair game"

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • ok, ill give u that its a bad example (and ur making a pretty damn good point at showing that it is)

    but u give me that: yes, theyre all the same.. becoz we're not restricting this to 'certain' topics, becoz in the end we're talking abt human behavior

    best and final offer.. what say u WOMAN? ;p

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • its a bargain

    i agree its a bad example, and u agree that REGARDLESS of the topic, theres no such thing as "fair game" for ppl to just come out of the blue and think theyre ENTITLED to VALID opinions just becoz they somehow belong to a class which is affected

    hence, a driver talking abt cars
    a q8i talking abt the const.
    a human talkin abt religion

    stuff like that

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • where did "and that those poor students are totally entitled to feeling indignant" come from?

    we're a no-go im afraid

    however, u did prove that using that example in this particular case wasnt the brightest idea in the world

    but saying that the students/public 'had reason' to be insulted ? no thanks

    "Coming out of the blue and blabbing off like a professor when you know 10% of a subject is wrong no matter what the subject is."
    when u put it THAT way, its almost common sense.. but im sure ull agree that its quite diff in the real world

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 19.1.06  

  • interesting post :)

    By Blogger DareDevil, at 19.1.06  

  • Here I was thinking that the maseera for the love of Sheikh Jaber was so sweet...when I read somewhere that there was a hidden agenda about it....that's how I feel now after reading your post...that you have a hidden agenda and it's mostly related to the fact that people shouldn't talk without knowing what they're talking about....and nothing to do with posters...(am I right in presuming this?)....when it comes to KU and posters...I do believe there are always issues in every university in the world...when it comes to the girl's clothes...they are probably no different than what the girls wear at Marina Mall...we may not like it or appreciate it...but these college kids are finally out of the school uniform and are now discovering their personalities...as in any other college in the world...the same applies to the boy's bad attitude...it's a college...there is good behaviour and bad behaviour wherever we go....

    In the case of the posters...I've always found it funny that whenever there's a problem..suddenly..you hear the word "7amla e3lamiya" that translates to a bunch of posters with a message for the consumer to somehow be convined by a mere statement on a poster...I think it undermines the reader....but I believe that's not the issue here...

    If your main issue is about ignorant people talking about something they know nothing about...I have to agree...there are those that argue for the sake of argument...or say something out of the blue and then when faced with someone who knows the facts...tend to want to save face at any price and continue argueing for the simple fact of saving face and pride...rather than admit that they know nothing about the subject....

    Ok....I've been typing away and I'm not even sure if what I said made any sense...hopefully it does...I have to admit...I admire your patience when you argue....most people tend to give up...but you can go on and on and on and on.....truely amazing!..:)

    By Blogger MissCosmoKuwait, at 20.1.06  

  • laialy glad u agree abt the main point of the post

    and i kinda like ur idea of "la to'ajel 3amal elyawm ela elqad" when it came to the posters.. yes, we do have a problem with guys and grls at KU, and yes, they were addressed .. as u say, a change towards the better is by first ADMITTING THERE IS A PROBLEM.. a wise woman indeed u are

    something which, unfortunately, many ppl have dismissed and just focused on "oh they have insulted our intelligence"-side of things becoz they think reaching university is like an "achievement" or something and theyre 'free to do whatever they want'.. ?

    --

    zinzin who says theyre a HUGE group of ppl? r we talking by NUMBER or by PERCENTAGE? what do u mean huge?
    huge how, from the bloggers community? :)

    and why do u "respect" all KU students? whats so special abt them that u respetc blindly?

    *moving on, again, im glad u agree .. i think we can sum up this whole ordeal in one sentence: "ness el ma3rifa enek tegol 'madri'!"

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 20.1.06  

  • 7tenths yup true that on pope's quote, hence the "elwa7ed lazem ma yetfalsaf" explanation .. and nice take on life and college heh

    daredevil chairz ! :)

    mishari26 even if the "campaign" was planned before that fight.. i still dont see the "tafriga" and "insult" to both guys and grls .. its as if some ppl r asking to CREATE a problem that doesnt exist, rather than DEAL with the already EXISTING problems.. i mean FAAAK, sup widaat?

    again, nice take on life hehe

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 20.1.06  

  • misscosmo,
    - yes, this has 'nothing' to do with the posters.. but rather has to do more with not talking abt something when u really dont know.. not sure abt where the my having a hidden agenda comes from thu :/
    anyway, zinzin has convinced me that the posters example was a bad idea, so there goes nothin

    - im sorry but if u think the girls' dress is motivated by "searching for their personalities", and guys' attitudes by "trying to define manhood", then i most definitely disagree

    simply becoz i would like to believe that personality and manhood are things that r at a level much higher than that

    ur right, in every place, there exists a problem .. however, this problem "tetdoobal" when u do nothing to address it.. and it even "triples" when u have a reaction saying 'theres no problem in the 1st place' :)

    plz do know that if these posters were found at AUK or GUST, then i would be singing a very diff tune

    - ur right, it is 'sad' that a "7amla e3lameya" is nothing but a bunch of posters and some badly-acted and even more badly edited commercials on tv that run for 2 weeks

    i think the best "campaign" was Qeeras and their anti-drug-use .. it all went downhill from there

    - yup, my "main issue is abt ignorant ppl talking abt smthing they know nothing abt" and im glad u agree

    u also mention a good point abt ppl going on even AFTER they realize that they DONT know, motivated by pride/saving face.. i think thats true

    - as for if ur making any sense, i have to say at 1st i wasnt sure (with the whole maseera thing) but towards the end i got what u were saying

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 20.1.06  

  • swair we dont take them to another planet becoz we dont let them get on our nerve 'gaaadaaamit'

    bo fay ma athenn ena hal shaghla megtassra 3ala el q8iyeen .. i think it happens everywhere, but as i say, i do think theres a problem with everyone, even us sometimes, with just saying "I DONT KNOW" sometimes

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 20.1.06  

  • zinzin
    no, u just percieve it that way (along with some other bloggers)

    so.. why is it that u have a "default setting to ur respect" towards KU students?

    im interested.. if ur not interested in telling me just say so

    By Blogger Temetwir, at 20.1.06  

  • hmmm...
    calculators, guys fighting, a poster and frustrated girls..
    confused..
    big time!

    By Blogger Baroque, at 20.1.06  

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